You mean that the Chinese are not history's pushovers? Britain, France, Netherlands, Portugal, and Japan were all over China during the Age of Colonialism. The Germans alone showed up in China uninvited and began to conquer stuff, in 1858, 1861, 1897, and 1900 to 1914. I know that the Western expats are paid trice or quadruple the salaries of Chinese professors in China. And when we tried to change that, the Chinese attacked us and said, Chinese deserve lesser salaries. They liked to be poor. It was spiritual to them. Gu Hongming said it best, he said it in The Spirit of the Chinese people. Hej, Sanj, subscribe to the inner circle and get free access to everything here! Best! T
Is it really that simple? Surely there are plenty of Chinese who are well aware of the rapid decline of the West in nearly all aspects and who could therefore understand why there might be an influx of Westerners to China for a "better life" - China is safe, peaceful, in many ways more civilized if not only for the fact that a majority of the population is on the same page politically, creating less social division. It's a bit tiring having to explain to Chinese people that the West is not at all like what you see in the movies (and to think, I thought that was common knowledge). But they are slowly but surely catching on, especially as the west's actions are making an impact on them directly. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3231022/genius-biochemist-kunliang-guan-returns-china-us-head-new-lab
It's only a matter of time before this trend picks up the pace and China will be a destination for more and more Western youth -- the land of opportunity, the China dream.
Where is the article in which you described how foreigners in China are treated completely differently depending on their origins. So, the Italians and Poles are not as favored as the Germans and French, but the Americans get everything handed to them. That was hilarious!
You have raised some very important issues with this article, Dr. P. It is not just about “Chinese degrees,” but about most Chinese qualifications, including, as you said, “affiliations” with the Communists. Respectable people in the West avoid Chinese awards, hotels, cars, and services. And while having a Chinese wife is somewhat tolerated, I would not recommend it to expats hoping for a great career later in the West. The exception would be a member of the Chinese upper class who opens other doors, but that is rare. Are Chinese qualifications respectable in Japan, where you live, Dr. P? Are Japanese scientists eager to get their PhDs in Hong Kong or Beijing?
Thanks, Soolstar! Chinese qualifications like university degrees are always under scrutiny if the candidates came from China to Japan by themselves. If they were hired by a Japanese company or university though, because of bilateral agreements, Chinese qualifications are automatically recognized. Education is very political. Europe is the worst. Europe rejects most foreign qualifications from the non-West, including even high school degrees from China, Russia, and Japan. I would always recommend that the candidates who venture abroad do so via a governmental approved exchange scheme or program. If not, they are all alone in Europe and have to battle against a xenophobic, anti-educational, anti-Asian bureaucracy. Imagine you attended 16 years schooling and university in your country, only to get degraded and forced to drive a taxi in Berlin, haha. This happens a lot.
I didn't know this before and heard it for the first time in your interview, but it seems that Chinese diplomas issued to unsuspecting Westerners who studied in mainland China are worthless and not recognized in Europe. These legal barriers are real and were erected to keep Westerners out of China and Chinese education. This is the legacy of the unfair treaties of the 19th century I think. The West delegitimizes Chinese standards, norms and culture. For Westerners who flirt with China, the legal future consequences are devastating. My advice is stay in China or Asia where Chinese qualifications are legit. I wish the world was fairer to the new Chinese, but this is their curse from 100 years of humiliation and Western colonialism. Cruel story. Thanks!
Well, let's see what happens when Chinese engineering goes sci-fi, which is close. Most western companies in the engineering field care about skills, not standards.
We've been taught, over and over, that there is no biological basis to a people. It all boils down to this ephemeral word culture. Race is just pigment in the skin, and if you question this you're a Nazi.
Not really sure how this thinking, if you want to call it that, could possibly dominate the world, unless its just a load of bullshit to keep the number of players small and under the thumb.
First sign of incoming genocide: The biology or ethnicity of a people is categorically denied. If they don't exist, so the reasoning, they cannot claim they are being erased. So sad. T
Well, perceptions might trail reality by a couple of dozen years but eventually, they get there. Except for the dumbest people, many more or never in their lifetime.
Interesting piece and I found. few things that rang true, but I'm American, live in Wuhan, and it seems the mechanical formula set forth in the piece has been changing a lot in the last 10 years. I don't subscribe to human activities being so easily and distinctly plugged into mechanical formulas. Still a fun read though. Thanks.
This just goes to show, Dr. P: the prejudice that the Chinese worship all foreigners is grotesquely wrong. They like everything foreign, everything Western. As soon as the Western gets mixed with the Chinese, creeping contempt sets in. Nobody likes shape-shifters.
For every 100 students China sent abroad, 3 returned to the motherland. Those 3 earned the salary of a 100 men. Heard this is Marxist class. The cost of labor. It is a strange ideology.
Are they harvesting souls at Harvard?
Wait - Zuckerberg is white?
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Classic Dr. Pattberg! Forbidden is researched here! 🥰
Looking thru a very distorted lens.
You mean that the Chinese are not history's pushovers? Britain, France, Netherlands, Portugal, and Japan were all over China during the Age of Colonialism. The Germans alone showed up in China uninvited and began to conquer stuff, in 1858, 1861, 1897, and 1900 to 1914. I know that the Western expats are paid trice or quadruple the salaries of Chinese professors in China. And when we tried to change that, the Chinese attacked us and said, Chinese deserve lesser salaries. They liked to be poor. It was spiritual to them. Gu Hongming said it best, he said it in The Spirit of the Chinese people. Hej, Sanj, subscribe to the inner circle and get free access to everything here! Best! T
Is it really that simple? Surely there are plenty of Chinese who are well aware of the rapid decline of the West in nearly all aspects and who could therefore understand why there might be an influx of Westerners to China for a "better life" - China is safe, peaceful, in many ways more civilized if not only for the fact that a majority of the population is on the same page politically, creating less social division. It's a bit tiring having to explain to Chinese people that the West is not at all like what you see in the movies (and to think, I thought that was common knowledge). But they are slowly but surely catching on, especially as the west's actions are making an impact on them directly. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3231022/genius-biochemist-kunliang-guan-returns-china-us-head-new-lab
It's only a matter of time before this trend picks up the pace and China will be a destination for more and more Western youth -- the land of opportunity, the China dream.
Good point, point taken. 👍
Where is the article in which you described how foreigners in China are treated completely differently depending on their origins. So, the Italians and Poles are not as favored as the Germans and French, but the Americans get everything handed to them. That was hilarious!
You have raised some very important issues with this article, Dr. P. It is not just about “Chinese degrees,” but about most Chinese qualifications, including, as you said, “affiliations” with the Communists. Respectable people in the West avoid Chinese awards, hotels, cars, and services. And while having a Chinese wife is somewhat tolerated, I would not recommend it to expats hoping for a great career later in the West. The exception would be a member of the Chinese upper class who opens other doors, but that is rare. Are Chinese qualifications respectable in Japan, where you live, Dr. P? Are Japanese scientists eager to get their PhDs in Hong Kong or Beijing?
Thanks, Soolstar! Chinese qualifications like university degrees are always under scrutiny if the candidates came from China to Japan by themselves. If they were hired by a Japanese company or university though, because of bilateral agreements, Chinese qualifications are automatically recognized. Education is very political. Europe is the worst. Europe rejects most foreign qualifications from the non-West, including even high school degrees from China, Russia, and Japan. I would always recommend that the candidates who venture abroad do so via a governmental approved exchange scheme or program. If not, they are all alone in Europe and have to battle against a xenophobic, anti-educational, anti-Asian bureaucracy. Imagine you attended 16 years schooling and university in your country, only to get degraded and forced to drive a taxi in Berlin, haha. This happens a lot.
I didn't know this before and heard it for the first time in your interview, but it seems that Chinese diplomas issued to unsuspecting Westerners who studied in mainland China are worthless and not recognized in Europe. These legal barriers are real and were erected to keep Westerners out of China and Chinese education. This is the legacy of the unfair treaties of the 19th century I think. The West delegitimizes Chinese standards, norms and culture. For Westerners who flirt with China, the legal future consequences are devastating. My advice is stay in China or Asia where Chinese qualifications are legit. I wish the world was fairer to the new Chinese, but this is their curse from 100 years of humiliation and Western colonialism. Cruel story. Thanks!
Well, let's see what happens when Chinese engineering goes sci-fi, which is close. Most western companies in the engineering field care about skills, not standards.
We've been taught, over and over, that there is no biological basis to a people. It all boils down to this ephemeral word culture. Race is just pigment in the skin, and if you question this you're a Nazi.
Not really sure how this thinking, if you want to call it that, could possibly dominate the world, unless its just a load of bullshit to keep the number of players small and under the thumb.
First sign of incoming genocide: The biology or ethnicity of a people is categorically denied. If they don't exist, so the reasoning, they cannot claim they are being erased. So sad. T
Sweet
Well, perceptions might trail reality by a couple of dozen years but eventually, they get there. Except for the dumbest people, many more or never in their lifetime.
Thanks, Valentin. Let's pray and hope for the best! T
Interesting piece and I found. few things that rang true, but I'm American, live in Wuhan, and it seems the mechanical formula set forth in the piece has been changing a lot in the last 10 years. I don't subscribe to human activities being so easily and distinctly plugged into mechanical formulas. Still a fun read though. Thanks.
Thanks, Kurt! Good to have you here! Best! T
Thanks back. I just stumbled upon you in here and I'm really liking what I'm reading. Looking forward to more.
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This just goes to show, Dr. P: the prejudice that the Chinese worship all foreigners is grotesquely wrong. They like everything foreign, everything Western. As soon as the Western gets mixed with the Chinese, creeping contempt sets in. Nobody likes shape-shifters.
A great sadness came over me when I read this text.
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For every 100 students China sent abroad, 3 returned to the motherland. Those 3 earned the salary of a 100 men. Heard this is Marxist class. The cost of labor. It is a strange ideology.
Lol. Thank you very much! T
Passport bros ruined it.